{"id":2582,"date":"2023-05-29T07:12:56","date_gmt":"2023-05-29T11:12:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/?p=2582"},"modified":"2025-08-12T10:18:28","modified_gmt":"2025-08-12T14:18:28","slug":"computer-builds-upgrades-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/index.php\/2023\/05\/29\/computer-builds-upgrades-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"Computer Builds &#038; Upgrades \u2013 Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-2586 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/i9-13900K-build.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"785\" height=\"451\" srcset=\"https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/i9-13900K-build.jpg 785w, https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/i9-13900K-build-500x287.jpg 500w, https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/i9-13900K-build-768x441.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 785px) 100vw, 785px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been building my own desktop computers since 2004, and have gotten better at it over the years. Currently have a main PC \u2013 &#8216;<i>Apevia<\/i>&#8216; and two main Test\/Secondary PCs \u2013 &#8216;<i>Rose<\/i>&#8216; &amp; Frankenstein (AKA \u2013 \u2018<i>Frank<\/i>\u2018). Their parts are listed at \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/linuxnewbiesince1996.wordpress.com\/buy-low-or-byoc-build-your-own-computer-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Buy Low or BYOC \u2013 \u2018<\/b><i><b>Build Your Own Computer<\/b><\/i><b>\u2019<\/b><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Two more PCs are sitting in a shed \u2013 <i>listed as<\/i> not needed or retired, and a homemade <a href=\"https:\/\/linuxnewbiesince1996.wordpress.com\/2019\/11\/16\/build-a-ryzen-test-computer-with-scrap-n-a-150-budget-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i>Test Bench<\/i><\/a>. \ud83d\ude42 Parts can build up over time, e.g., a few years ago I finally threw away a gallon ziplock baggie full of old desktop memory. Now I try to better manage memory in new builds <i>and\/or<\/i> upgrades, but eventually even that memory will become too old to use in a modern PC.<\/p>\n<p>For about 7 years now, I have been using a case I like to build a new computer in \u2013 <em><u>this time<\/u><\/em> it&#8217;s a <a href=\"https:\/\/linuxnewbiesince1996.wordpress.com\/2019\/12\/25\/apevia-x-qpack3-nw-bk-is-innovation-in-a-cube\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em><strong>Apevia X-Qpack3-NW-BK<\/strong><\/em><\/a>, taking the MoBo from that case (<i>left pretty much intact<\/i>), and moving it to another case as an upgrade. Switching memory and other components around, upgrading an older case #2, and then building a &#8216;<i>New<\/i>&#8216; computer in case #1 from there.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_82_2 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/index.php\/2023\/05\/29\/computer-builds-upgrades-part-1\/#%E2%80%98Apevia%E2%80%98_gets_new_Build_%E2%80%98Rose%E2%80%98_gets_Upgrade\" >&#8216;Apevia&#8216; gets new Build &amp; &#8216;Rose&#8216; gets Upgrade<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/index.php\/2023\/05\/29\/computer-builds-upgrades-part-1\/#Conclusion\" >Conclusion<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"%E2%80%98Apevia%E2%80%98_gets_new_Build_%E2%80%98Rose%E2%80%98_gets_Upgrade\"><\/span>&#8216;<a href=\"https:\/\/linuxnewbiesince1996.wordpress.com\/buy-low-or-byoc-build-your-own-computer-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i>Apevia<\/i><\/a>&#8216; gets new Build &amp; &#8216;<a href=\"https:\/\/linuxnewbiesince1996.wordpress.com\/buy-low-or-byoc-build-your-own-computer-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i>Rose<\/i><\/a>&#8216; gets Upgrade<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>This is Part 1 of a new Build &amp; Upgrade I have been planning, and am now working on gathering the components. It is also my third build using an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.intel.com\/content\/www\/us\/en\/products\/details\/processors\/core\/i9.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Intel\u00ae Core\u2122 i9 Processor<\/b><\/a> \u2013 1st was an Intel\u00ae Core\u2122 i9-9900 &amp; 2nd was an Intel\u00ae Core\u2122 i9-10900K \u2013 this is going to be an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.intel.com\/content\/www\/us\/en\/products\/sku\/230496\/intel-core-i913900k-processor-36m-cache-up-to-5-80-ghz\/specifications.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Intel\u00ae Core\u2122 i9-13900K<\/b><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Have been watching for price drops, and spotted a price drop on the ASUS <a href=\"https:\/\/www.asus.com\/us\/motherboards-components\/motherboards\/prime\/prime-z790m-plus-d4\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Prime Z790M-PLUS D4<\/b><\/a> LGA 1700 mATX MoBo \u2013 normally $190.99++ drop to $171.89 (<i>$183.92 w\/ Tax<\/i>) @ Amazon.<\/p>\n<p>The Intel\u00ae Core\u2122 i9-13900K runs at $569.99++ most of the time w\/ a low at $564.99 right now, but I am in no rush \u2013 tho $564.99 may be the lowest it gets for most of this year. <em>Probably<\/em> buy it next month or in July at the best price I can get.<\/p>\n<p>Looks like I will need to buy a new Noctua <a href=\"https:\/\/noctua.at\/en\/nh-u9s\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>NH-U9S<\/b><\/a> CPU cooler (<i>super quiet<\/i>) since I probably don&#8217;t have the LGA 1700 mounting-kit for the old one on &#8216;<i>Apevia<\/i>&#8216; \u2013 they have been included w\/ NH-U9S since 12\/2021, but I purchased this one in 2020. They usually run $59.99 &#8216;n are well worth the price\u2014run super <i>quiet &amp; cool<\/i>!!!<\/p>\n<p>I will pull MoBo from &#8216;<i>Rose<\/i>&#8216; and put the one now in &#8216;<i>Apevia<\/i>&#8216; into &#8216;<i>Rose<\/i>&#8216;. The Intel\u00ae Core\u2122 i7-8700 is a super CPU, but the old cheap Gigabyte H310M A MoBo may be the worst board I&#8217;ve ever owned \u2013 besides, the i9-10900K is a big upgrade for &#8216;<i>Rose<\/i>&#8216;. <a href=\"https:\/\/linuxnewbiesince1996.wordpress.com\/buy-low-or-byoc-build-your-own-computer-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i>My computers<\/i><\/a> are usually named for their cases \u2013 w\/ &#8216;<a href=\"https:\/\/linuxnewbiesince1996.wordpress.com\/2022\/08\/31\/the-frankenstein-computer-look-its-moving-its-alive-its-alive-its-alive-its-moving-its-alive-its-alive-its-alive-its-alive-its-alive\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><b>Frank<\/b><\/i><\/a>&#8216; being one exception.<\/p>\n<p>Will use the 32GBs of memory from &#8216;<i>Apevia<\/i>&#8216; in this new i9 13900K build, and remove memory from the old H310M A MoBo to the board being moved into &#8216;<i>Rose<\/i>&#8216; \u2013 I try to buy memory &#8216;n MoBo&#8217;s that are compatible w\/ my other memory &#8216;n boards, and that requires planning way in advance.<\/p>\n<p>Will also remove the SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus SSD 500GB \u2013 M.2 NVMe Interface SSD and the Adata XPG SX6000 Pro M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD from the old H310M A MoBo, because &#8216;<em>Rose<\/em>&#8216; will remain a Test machine. I need to switch OSes when testing Linuxes &#8216;n etc. so OSes go on standard SSD drives in Hot-swap SATA bays \u2013 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.kingwin.com\/kf-251-bk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>KF-251-BK<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>One of the reason for this new i9 13900K build is that fiber cable is headed to my area this year w\/ speed options of 100 MBPS, 1 GBPS &amp; 2 GBPS.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-2590 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Fiber-isp.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"663\" height=\"329\" srcset=\"https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Fiber-isp.jpg 663w, https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Fiber-isp-500x248.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 663px) 100vw, 663px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve never had download speeds of 100 Mbps (12.5 MB\/s), and I believe that is what is being offered instead of that &#8220;100 MBPS&#8221; shown in the pic \u2013 <i>ISPs are all tricky that way<\/i>. \ud83d\ude09 I have no clue how fast 1 or 2 Gbps is, but clearly it is fast. Hence the need for a newer MoBo wid Intel\u00ae 1Gb Ethernet support, and future upgrade ability \u2013 e.g., faster memory upgrades, upgrade my exterior USB connections, and a new GPU (<i>if I don&#8217;t buy a new one now\u2014Dual GeForce RTX 3060 Ti or similar<\/i>) &#8230;&#8230;&#8230; <u><b>hold on<\/b><\/u>.<\/p>\n<p>OK \u2014 Just purchased an ASUS Dual NVIDIA <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newegg.com\/asus-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-dual-rtx3060ti-o8gd6x\/p\/N82E16814126612?Item=N82E16814126612\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>GeForce RTX 3060 Ti<\/b><\/a> OC Edition for $364.00 from Newegg (<i>$390.54 w\/ Tax<\/i>). Have wanted one for a long time \u2013 <b>\\o\/ \u2018<\/b><i><b>Hippity hip Hoorah<\/b><\/i><b>\u2018 \\o\/ \ud83d\ude01 <\/b>Will probably need a new power supply, but that is OK \u2013 build is now at $574.46 spend (<i>includes Tax &amp; Free Shipping<\/i>).<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><b>Estimate<\/b>: new i9 13900K w\/ Tax + new fully modular 750+ watt power supply (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.newegg.com\/tools\/power-supply-calculator\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i>600-699 Watts<\/i><\/a><i> suggested \u2013 ASUS calculator says <a href=\"https:\/\/rog.asus.com\/event\/PSU\/ASUS-Power-Supply-Units\/us\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>750-1000<\/strong><\/a> watts <\/i>) with Tax + Noctua NH-U9S CPU cooler comes to about $805. Should be less than a total of $1400 since I already have the case, memory, two M.2 PCIe NVMe&#8217;s, and hot swap bays. The new GeForce RTX 3060 Ti needed a new power supply, and those two components will bump up the price by $530+. I had planned on around $900\/1000 using the same 550 watt power supply &#8216;n same GeForce GTX 1660 Super, but was also hoping to find a 3060 Ti for less than $450. No rush, so I pay for it as I go until all the parts are collected &#8216;n paid for. $1400\/1500 for a rig like this is dirt cheap compared to what a prebuilt would cost.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Conclusion\"><\/span>Conclusion<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>I wasn&#8217;t expecting to find or buy a GPU at this point, but Memorial Day is <b>*BIG*<\/b> in America, and I wanted to watch for sales.<\/p>\n<p>I had been watching the ASUS <a href=\"https:\/\/www.asus.com\/us\/motherboards-components\/motherboards\/prime\/prime-z790m-plus-d4\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Prime Z790M-PLUS D4<\/b><\/a> LGA 1700 mATX MoBo prices for some time now, and it just dropped to a price I liked. The ASUS Dual NVIDIA <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newegg.com\/asus-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-dual-rtx3060ti-o8gd6x\/p\/N82E16814126612?Item=N82E16814126612\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>GeForce RTX 3060 Ti<\/b><\/a> OC Edition was a surprise bonus.<\/p>\n<p>Next month I will probably buy a new power supply, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.asus.com\/us\/motherboards-components\/graphics-cards\/dual\/dual-rtx3060ti-o8gd6x\/techspec\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">ASUS<\/a> recommends 750 watts if Over clocking is off, but that jumps to <a href=\"https:\/\/rog.asus.com\/event\/PSU\/ASUS-Power-Supply-Units\/us\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>1000 watts<\/strong><\/a> if you Overclock the GPU &amp; CPU or <u>plan on a future upgrade<\/u>.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll research the topic a little more, since I may end up doing another GPU &amp; memory upgrade in 3-4 years. <i>Actually<\/i>, this is the second upgrade for &#8216;<i>Apevia<\/i>&#8216; \u2013 the Intel\u00ae Core\u2122 i9-10900K was done back around <a href=\"https:\/\/linuxnewbiesince1996.wordpress.com\/2021\/03\/21\/apevia-computers-new-upgrade-rebuild-movin-on-from-amd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><b>March 21, 2021<\/b><\/i><\/a>. AMD had duped me into believing that the Ryzen\u2122 9 3900X was a really fast processor:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-2592 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/i7-vs-r9.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"910\" height=\"502\" srcset=\"https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/i7-vs-r9.jpg 910w, https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/i7-vs-r9-500x276.jpg 500w, https:\/\/karmismusingstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/i7-vs-r9-768x424.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 910px) 100vw, 910px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>For &#8216;<i>Desktop Duty<\/i>&#8216; \u2013 the much older &amp; much cheaper Intel\u00ae i7-8700 CPU out performed that new AMD Ryzen\u2122 9 3900X. AMD has always been overrated &#8216;n they spend far too much on hyping their products. <i>Oh<\/i>, a Ryzen\u2122 5 3400G was the first processor in &#8216;<i>Apevia<\/i>&#8216;, and I liked it better than that Ryzen\u2122 9 3900X, but the 3400G now sits in an unused computer out in a shed.<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;<i>Rose<\/i>&#8216; will get the current &#8216;<i>Apevia<\/i>&#8216; setup minus the 32 GBs of memory &amp; two M.2 PCIe NVMe&#8217;s, i.e., &#8216;<i>Rose<\/i>&#8216; will keep the 16 GBs of memory on the soon to be &#8216;<i>retired<\/i>&#8216; (<i>to a dumpster<\/i>) Gigabyte H310M A MoBo. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<p><i>Last but not Least<\/i> is a free &#8216;<i>Tip<\/i>&#8216; \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/pcpartpicker.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>PCPartPicker<\/b><\/a> is my favorite site to plan a computer build. They have a &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/pcpartpicker.com\/list\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Choose Your Parts<\/b><\/a>&#8221; area where you can add parts to a build, and can save that list if you&#8217;re registered w\/ them. The saved parts have real time best prices listed, and all parts are checked for compatibility w\/ each other.<\/p>\n<p>Next update (<i>Part 2<\/i>) might not be until I purchase the i9 13900K&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been building my own desktop computers since 2004, and have gotten better at it over the years. Currently have a main PC \u2013 &#8216;Apevia&#8216; and two main Test\/Secondary PCs \u2013 &#8216;Rose&#8216; &amp; Frankenstein (AKA \u2013 \u2018Frank\u2018). Their parts are listed at \u2013 Buy Low or BYOC \u2013 \u2018Build Your Own Computer\u2019. 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